This guy had two children under the age of 10 and it sounds like you are rejoicing in his death. Did he do some dumb things, yes, but how can you say karma wins. You are the asshole, I hope you don't have any children that would miss you if something horrible should happen to you.
Steve Irwin admitted that he what he did with his son wasn't smart and he apologized for it. But his children are still alive as well, and you don't think they will miss him. But now they get to hear people like you talk about what an idiot and an asshole their father was. Why is it that everyone was fascinated by his show and what he did when he was alive, but as soon as he died people started attacking him for the things he did. If he would have died in a car accident nothing like this would have been brought up. Everyone would have said that it was a shame and that he was a good guy. They wouldn't berate him after his death.
Nope, I am just unemployed. You know, one of those morons that weltches off of the good hard working citizens of NJ. ***Yawn*** I guess I should go to the bank and cash that unemployment check.
Steve Irwin wasn't about getting famous for what he did. He wanted to teach people about the animals he loved working with. He helped them by saving them from environments that being encroached on by people and moving them to safer habitats. He didn't do it because of his ego he did it because it educated us, who know nothing about the creatures that he knew and loved. He wanted us to know that he was about conservation. And he didn't make much money from his show and the movie that he made. That money went right to the Australia Zoo. The place he loved and did everything for.
Don't give me the BS about being politically correct, I am and always will be far from it. Just ask Tucker. Ken Lay, Dahmer, Hussein, and Koresh were evil people. You can't even compare them to Steve Irwin.
Does that mean people were happy when Pelle Linberg was killed? I don't recall that I was pretty young, but I don't think people were glad that he slammed his car into a brick wall.
I guess my one reader thinks Steve Irwin's life wasn't worth much since he didn't have a corporate job and had to work on Labor Day.
Come on, who would be so specific to actually say STEAKHOUSE with Outback?
Who is driven by money ? Who looks down to anyone middle class or below with distain? Who becomes physically ill around blue colar workers? Who can't stomach people who are in not in the upper 1%? Who clearly judges a man by their work and paychecks?
TL, it wasn't aimed at you and you don't know the person either.
I never said working a corporate job was a good thing either, numbnuts. You just happen to be at the bottom of the food chain, working both a corporate job AND being forced to work on LABOR day.
Do you not see the irony?
I see money as a means to survive, and I probably make as much money as you, which probably isn't much. The difference is I work about an hour a day trading stocks. I don't even own or need a motherfucking car!
I get a floating holiday anyway, so I had another 3-day weekend in the summer. Which I prefer to have over labor day since the shore is too crowded anyway.
What's the damn controversy? It's very simple. Say what you want about whoever you want. But it is a bit, well, tasteless to go out of your way to blast a guy after he's dead. There's a lot of venom, no pun intended, in ointmentfly's initial post. If that's how you feel, fine. But if you post it on a blog in response to a standard RIP announcement, you'd better be prepared for people to think that you're an asshole. It's the risk you run.
It's really not that complicated.
Personally, I have nothing to say about Steve Irwin one way or the other. But if I did have strong feelings of animosity towards him, I wouldn't have posted them here.
I didn't misinterpret your comments, I just don't think you cared for the fact that I strongly disagree. But by all means, have that rational conversation with Drew. You obviously wouldn't be able to hold one with me.
I don't think it's necessarily bad to blast soeone after they die. But blasting someone immediately after they die in comments to a RIP post on a blog is a good way to piss people off. I think there's probably an awful lot to criticize Irwin for, and that's cool. But I would make those criticism, say, at Irwin's funeral.
I don't mean to compare writing a blog comment with disrupting a funeral, but it makes the point about context. It isn't about content, where we adopt a general rule that certain people are above critisicm. Rather, we merely need to be mindful of the context when we express such views.
Ointmentfly, I will try. I'm not sure where the source of your confusion is coming from, but it might have something to do with the horrible typo in the first paragraph, last sentence, where I said that I would make criticisms of Irwin at his funeral. I meant that I wouldn't.
As for the second paragraph, my point is that I'm not advocating some general all-purpose rule whereby it is wrong to say mean things about people who have died. If you think Steve Irwin was an asshole, as you do, there's nothing at all wrong with saying so. Especially if you have an argument to justify that view, as you do. That's my point about content. I have no problem at all with the content of your view that Steve Irwin is an asshole.
The issue is context, in that posting such a view in fairly harsh terms ("Oh, fuck him.") so soon after his death in comments to a typical RIP-type blog post is likely to make people angry. Unless, for some reason, you wanted to start a fight, it would have been better if you had declined to raise your criticism, or at least moderated your tone.
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This guy had two children under the age of 10 and it sounds like you are rejoicing in his death. Did he do some dumb things, yes, but how can you say karma wins. You are the asshole, I hope you don't have any children that would miss you if something horrible should happen to you.
Steve Irwin admitted that he what he did with his son wasn't smart and he apologized for it. But his children are still alive as well, and you don't think they will miss him. But now they get to hear people like you talk about what an idiot and an asshole their father was. Why is it that everyone was fascinated by his show and what he did when he was alive, but as soon as he died people started attacking him for the things he did. If he would have died in a car accident nothing like this would have been brought up. Everyone would have said that it was a shame and that he was a good guy. They wouldn't berate him after his death.
I have a rule of thumb that usually serves me well. Shortly after a man's death is the wrong time to mouth off about how much you dislike him.
You may be absolutely right in your criticisms of Irwin, ointmentfly, but that's no excuse.
I feel sorry for you.
You guys must not have corporate jobs.
Nope, I am just unemployed. You know, one of those morons that weltches off of the good hard working citizens of NJ. ***Yawn*** I guess I should go to the bank and cash that unemployment check.
Steve Irwin wasn't about getting famous for what he did. He wanted to teach people about the animals he loved working with. He helped them by saving them from environments that being encroached on by people and moving them to safer habitats. He didn't do it because of his ego he did it because it educated us, who know nothing about the creatures that he knew and loved. He wanted us to know that he was about conservation. And he didn't make much money from his show and the movie that he made. That money went right to the Australia Zoo. The place he loved and did everything for.
Don't give me the BS about being politically correct, I am and always will be far from it. Just ask Tucker. Ken Lay, Dahmer, Hussein, and Koresh were evil people. You can't even compare them to Steve Irwin.
Does that mean people were happy when Pelle Linberg was killed? I don't recall that I was pretty young, but I don't think people were glad that he slammed his car into a brick wall.
I guess my one reader thinks Steve Irwin's life wasn't worth much since he didn't have a corporate job and had to work on Labor Day.
Yeah, Keith, I think the corporate jobs thing came from an anonymous reader on another post.
Yeah, its obvious to me its not TL.
Jenna, do you really not know who that is?
Come on, who would be so specific to actually say STEAKHOUSE with Outback?
Who is driven by money ? Who looks down to anyone middle class or below with distain? Who becomes physically ill around blue colar workers? Who can't stomach people who are in not in the upper 1%? Who clearly judges a man by their work and paychecks?
TL, it wasn't aimed at you and you don't know the person either.
Hmmmmm? Let me think. Could it possibly be someone we went to school with? Or it might be President Bush. Because he isn't a very smart man either.
Metroplex knows....Metroplex SMASH!
I never said working a corporate job was a good thing either, numbnuts. You just happen to be at the bottom of the food chain, working both a corporate job AND being forced to work on LABOR day.
Do you not see the irony?
I see money as a means to survive, and I probably make as much money as you, which probably isn't much. The difference is I work about an hour a day trading stocks. I don't even own or need a motherfucking car!
Enjoy your 40+ hour work weeks, slave.
I do enjoy it I love my job.
I get a floating holiday anyway, so I had another 3-day weekend in the summer. Which I prefer to have over labor day since the shore is too crowded anyway.
Besides we will all be dead soon anyway.
What's the damn controversy? It's very simple. Say what you want about whoever you want. But it is a bit, well, tasteless to go out of your way to blast a guy after he's dead. There's a lot of venom, no pun intended, in ointmentfly's initial post. If that's how you feel, fine. But if you post it on a blog in response to a standard RIP announcement, you'd better be prepared for people to think that you're an asshole. It's the risk you run.
It's really not that complicated.
Personally, I have nothing to say about Steve Irwin one way or the other. But if I did have strong feelings of animosity towards him, I wouldn't have posted them here.
Keith, I have absolutely no idea who this person is. I am at a loss.
I didn't misinterpret your comments, I just don't think you cared for the fact that I strongly disagree. But by all means, have that rational conversation with Drew. You obviously wouldn't be able to hold one with me.
I don't think it's necessarily bad to blast soeone after they die. But blasting someone immediately after they die in comments to a RIP post on a blog is a good way to piss people off. I think there's probably an awful lot to criticize Irwin for, and that's cool. But I would make those criticism, say, at Irwin's funeral.
I don't mean to compare writing a blog comment with disrupting a funeral, but it makes the point about context. It isn't about content, where we adopt a general rule that certain people are above critisicm. Rather, we merely need to be mindful of the context when we express such views.
Great answer Drew!
You've effectively said nothing.
You must be a lawyer.
30 comments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah!!!!!!!!! Alright!!!!
What you can't understand, ointmentfly, is that I'm not taking it personally. And yes, I am having a rational conversation.
Ointmentfly, I will try. I'm not sure where the source of your confusion is coming from, but it might have something to do with the horrible typo in the first paragraph, last sentence, where I said that I would make criticisms of Irwin at his funeral. I meant that I wouldn't.
As for the second paragraph, my point is that I'm not advocating some general all-purpose rule whereby it is wrong to say mean things about people who have died. If you think Steve Irwin was an asshole, as you do, there's nothing at all wrong with saying so. Especially if you have an argument to justify that view, as you do. That's my point about content. I have no problem at all with the content of your view that Steve Irwin is an asshole.
The issue is context, in that posting such a view in fairly harsh terms ("Oh, fuck him.") so soon after his death in comments to a typical RIP-type blog post is likely to make people angry. Unless, for some reason, you wanted to start a fight, it would have been better if you had declined to raise your criticism, or at least moderated your tone.
Anyone who runs a site called I Love Bacon.com is ok by me, but he doesn't know what Social Darwinism is. Just for the record.
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